tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post3682049933400762982..comments2023-08-08T00:37:45.098-07:00Comments on A Philosophy Job Market Blog: Under where?Pseudonymous Grad Studenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00627480292942427387noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-25754114938726387532008-08-08T14:21:00.000-07:002008-08-08T14:21:00.000-07:00Wow!! A good idea to prepare for the job market!!Wow!! A good idea to prepare for the job market!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-32797022179704217622007-11-23T05:57:00.000-08:002007-11-23T05:57:00.000-08:00Just to give PGOAT her due, that Onion story is al...Just to give PGOAT her due, that Onion story is also linked in her original post (if you click on "that guy").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-76061813280961183842007-11-22T10:35:00.000-08:002007-11-22T10:35:00.000-08:00Michael,That story in the Onion is hilarious! I th...Michael,<BR/><BR/>That story in the Onion is hilarious! I think I'll have my students read it the first day of class.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09053975242033595947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-20473412963006809672007-11-22T06:46:00.000-08:002007-11-22T06:46:00.000-08:00I think that the relevant difference is that the r...<I>I think that the relevant difference is that the ranking was solely quantitative, not qualitative. It ranked number of publications, not quality or influence of publications.</I><BR/><BR/>If this is the Academic Analytics one, aka the one that ranked Michigan State first, the other thing is that it ranked publications in <I>a database of science journals</I>. Which doesn't include, say, J Phil, Phil Rev, PPR, or Mind, though it does include other estimable and more obscure philosophy journals. Meaning that the stats it cites just won't tell you anything about who's publishing what in philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-7195137256812953502007-11-22T04:47:00.000-08:002007-11-22T04:47:00.000-08:00Could someone please provide a link to the Chronic...Could someone please provide a link to the Chronicle rankings? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-90691652484421935992007-11-21T19:30:00.000-08:002007-11-21T19:30:00.000-08:00As for the STFU guy, there's one everywhere I'm af...As for the STFU guy, there's one everywhere I'm afraid:<BR/>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40984Michael Cholbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02012523929044363216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-9490368081795613722007-11-21T16:45:00.000-08:002007-11-21T16:45:00.000-08:00Maybe he didn't see the whole thong thing as a pro...Maybe he didn't see the whole thong thing as a problem..Hopeful Philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04165083247024003595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-91902881751482713812007-11-21T15:08:00.000-08:002007-11-21T15:08:00.000-08:00Anon @ 8:08,Is the ranking in the Chronicle the on...Anon @ 8:08,<BR/><BR/>Is the ranking in the Chronicle the one that puts Michigan State University as #1?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-25416504067037264252007-11-21T08:50:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:50:00.000-08:00"But at the same time Leiter captures what people ..."But at the same time Leiter captures what people think, and that's what matters in the job process. "<BR/><BR/>I managed to get a TT job despite the overwhelming odds last year. I actually got rid of the futon, and am the proud owner of a couch.<BR/><BR/>I intentionally ignored almost everything about the Leiter Report in applying, because I came to believe that while he describes life in leading Ph.D. institutions or well-respected undergraduate institutions incredibly well, that it did not offer much information about the vast majority of the jobs that actually exist.<BR/><BR/>I never asked, but of the interviews that I had, I do not think that any of the institutions had any clue who Brian Leiter was, or what the PGR was. I think that this is changing as we younger fold take positions in and around higher education. But there are still a LOT of places with no awareness of our discipline's cultic practices. I rolled the dice and bet everything on an institution's caring about other things than the PGR. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps I was lucky, but I made it.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the shameless rants. I wish I had this last year. I wouldn't have had to pay for therapy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-27931086979547060922007-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:00To anonymous #2: I remember seeing that ranking an...To anonymous #2: I remember seeing that ranking and noting that it differed from Leiter. I think that the relevant difference is that the ranking was solely quantitative, not qualitative. It ranked number of publications, not quality or influence of publications. While this might be covered by citations, it's not clear that there would not be a bias towards people who published many articles all of which had several citations, against someone who wrote one or two commonly cited articles. <BR/><BR/>Another issue is that it is unclear how the CHE is counting departments which have overlapping membership (within one university - two appointments in two different departments) and publications of joint members in other disciplines. <BR/><BR/>Also something to consider is that the Leiter rankings are not just for publications, but for teaching, placement, etc. The directive given to reviewers is: "Please give your opinion of the attractiveness of the faculty for a prospective student, taking in to account (and weighted as you deem appropriate) the quality of philosophical work and talent on the faculty, the range of areas the faculty covers, and the availability of the faculty over the next few years." <BR/><BR/>Surely a ranking of sheer quantitative information about publishing should not be expected to correlate with rankings on the basis of quality of work, talent of philosophy, breadth, and availability of faculty. It also should not be taken to impugn the gourmet rankings.<BR/><BR/>Just some thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-15647659731025386432007-11-21T08:35:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:35:00.000-08:00I tend to think the thong comment was the most val...I tend to think the thong comment was the most valuable information... both for the classroom and for the job market :).Inside the Philosophy Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12255753259090709877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-5929144703935935422007-11-21T08:15:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:15:00.000-08:00Was the company Academic Analytics? Their methodol...Was the company <A HREF="http://gonepublic.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/ranking-philosophy-programs/" REL="nofollow">Academic Analytics</A>? Their methodology is really really bad -- see comment #3 there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-64053957362513111662007-11-21T08:08:00.000-08:002007-11-21T08:08:00.000-08:00Well, at least you're looking stylish?On a separat...Well, at least you're looking stylish?<BR/><BR/>On a separate topic, has anyone noticed that last week the Chronicle of Higher Education published an article about a company that ranks departments in different fields using measures like publications, citations to publications, grants received, etc.?<BR/><BR/>Their rankings for philosophy departments looked *very* different from Leiter's. (Though, to be fair, they confirm Leiter's high rank for his own department.)<BR/><BR/>The company is for-profit, and operates without biases for and against kinds of philosophy--so, e.g., they wouldn't value old fashioned analytical philosophy of language over the history of philosophy. So this company's rankings seem to show that there is nothing really substantive about Leiter. But at the same time Leiter captures what people think, and that's what matters in the job process. <BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell, Leiter hasn't commented--but now that he's looking at this blog (after the Inside Man's comments), maybe he will?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-16247054505586351862007-11-21T07:38:00.000-08:002007-11-21T07:38:00.000-08:00Seriously, what were the tips to get that guy to S...Seriously, what were the tips to get that guy to STFU? This semester I'm dealing with a slightly different "that guy" - thinks he can argue circles around Kant (nope), goes off topic and says slightly offensive and really personal things. I'm having some success controlling/redirecting his comments, but it's hard to do that in a way that doesn't come off as dismissive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com