tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post3660381854288274612..comments2023-08-08T00:37:45.098-07:00Comments on A Philosophy Job Market Blog: Mister, You're on Fire, MisterPseudonymous Grad Studenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00627480292942427387noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-35316318997741165092008-09-16T20:21:00.000-07:002008-09-16T20:21:00.000-07:00"FWIW, I finished mine in under 2 years from a top..."FWIW, I finished mine in under 2 years from a top-20 Leiter school and am now tenure-track at also a top-20 Leiter school. When I serve on search committees, I question the work ethic and productivity of someone who takes, say, 7 years to finish a Ph.D. -- you better have some journal articles published as well."<BR/><BR/>waving the rankings like that, you must have a real mindfuck when you encounter someone from princeton or harvard. <BR/><BR/>Oh, I can feeeellll your anger.<BR/><BR/>keatskeatskeats<BR/>"because it sounds like skeet skeet skeet"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-61061490763390516772008-09-12T15:19:00.000-07:002008-09-12T15:19:00.000-07:00anon 10:43, your cons are not cons, they are reaso...anon 10:43, your cons are not cons, they are reasons why it may be difficult to do, or do well; but i don't see any cons in your situation. good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-65734503751343797552008-09-12T10:43:00.000-07:002008-09-12T10:43:00.000-07:00So I'm in my first semester as a TT Asst Prof at a...So I'm in my first semester as a TT Asst Prof at a no-name school in Texas. I am the only philosopher and I have a 4/4 load with no possibility of a reduction ever. Think I should go on the job market this fall? (That's a rhetorical question.)<BR/><BR/>Pros: Unlike last fall, I have Ph.D. in hand and an edited book coming out in spring. <BR/><BR/>Cons: I didn't graduate from a ranked program, I don't have a super awesome CV, I don't work in a popular area, and although I have a few articles floating out there at less-than-top-tier journals I probably won't have any more pubs to my name going forward. <BR/><BR/>Oh yeah... and I have a 4/4 load which, in case you're not familiar, is pure unadulterated hell. Short of developing a speed addiction or being some sort of ubermensch, there's no way anyone could pursue any serious scholarship with these kind of teaching responsibilities. (Not that scholarship is required for tenure at this university anyway - it's not, really.)<BR/><BR/>So I'm trying for at least a lateral move. I figure anything less than a 4/4 - and the possibility of not living in north Texas - would be a godsend at this point. <BR/><BR/>Moral of the story: last year I thought all jobs were created equal, that I would take anything that came my way, etc. etc. To an extent this was true - I *would* take anything that came my way. However, I now realize that I will never be able to do what I want to do if I stay in this job. Not to be a downer, but some of you guys should probably be prepared for similar outcomes. I totally understand now why academia is such an itinerant lifestyle. It's hard to find that direction of fit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-41714501909808880882008-09-12T07:11:00.000-07:002008-09-12T07:11:00.000-07:00Aside from having my document templates (cover let...Aside from having my document templates (cover letters, cv, teaching philosophy statements, etc) pretty much together, I'm trying to get my game face on. Even during a successful year on the job market, one might get rejected outright from 90% of the positions for which one carefully compiled application materials. That can be tough on the ego! So for me, the trick is being sufficiently detached from the process that the rejection doesn't get to me (too much), but not so detached that I don't actually apply to the positions.Thomas D. Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18431282163351242175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-64621813613399432402008-09-11T19:41:00.000-07:002008-09-11T19:41:00.000-07:00Oh, anon 11:13, I love you for your certainty. Bu...Oh, anon 11:13, I love you for your certainty. But I wouldn't bet on it. Have you seen some of the comments on this blog?<BR/><BR/>So what are folks doing now to gear up for the job market? And whose advisors are batshit crazy??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-50334840043484061102008-09-11T11:13:00.000-07:002008-09-11T11:13:00.000-07:00Mr Top 20 in his Top 20 job should take note of th...Mr Top 20 in his Top 20 job should take note of the following statistics on time taken to complete the Ph.D <BR/>http://insidehighered.com/news/2008/09/09/gaps<BR/><BR/>I'm sure he doesn't want to claim that women and non-whites are lazier than might white men and foreignersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-82353522712948236252008-09-10T13:27:00.000-07:002008-09-10T13:27:00.000-07:00If you can't see the difference between what happe...If you can't see the difference between what happened here and real censorship, maybe <I>you</I> should think about a new profession. Maybe the McCain/Palin campaign is hiring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-6730954530069122212008-09-10T13:22:00.000-07:002008-09-10T13:22:00.000-07:00I wonder about the quality of anon 2.50's speedy w...I wonder about the quality of anon 2.50's speedy work. Where can we read it? What have you written that is worth taking a look at? I'm not doubting that good work can be written quickly, but a lot of work written quickly isn't good work. So, anon 2.50, let's see your cards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-7597068928006591792008-09-09T21:21:00.000-07:002008-09-09T21:21:00.000-07:00If your (get it?) a philosopher and you believe ce...If your (get it?) a philosopher and you believe censorship among adults is ok, then you need to switch professions. Maybe McCain-Palin's campaign is hiring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-81484171064069344222008-09-09T10:59:00.000-07:002008-09-09T10:59:00.000-07:00in terms of taking a long time, i think james cona...in terms of taking a long time, i think james conant at u chicago is supposed to have taken a long time. would certainly not call him lazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-14553759626395813862008-09-09T06:29:00.000-07:002008-09-09T06:29:00.000-07:00In the interest of constructive, spirited debate (...In the interest of constructive, spirited debate (and administrator transparency), a few of my comments and others have been removed. Why? Partially because I can, partially because of a stupid grammatical mistake on my part (swapping 'you're' for 'your'), but also because comments that were less defensive and vindictive than my comments address the troll situation quite nicely without inflaming it. <BR/><BR/>Enjoy commenting without fear now. I'm done censoring.Jaded, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04254068051525860720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-1773204225872804092008-09-08T16:04:00.000-07:002008-09-08T16:04:00.000-07:002:50, you have a marvelous way with words.2:50, you have a marvelous way with words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-88852445699630928092008-09-08T15:31:00.000-07:002008-09-08T15:31:00.000-07:00The "you lazy fucks" line is easy, but not helpful...The "you lazy fucks" line is easy, but not helpful. <BR/><BR/>Congratulations to Mr top 20 and his top 20 job. But seriously, taking more than 7 years for a PhD is not unusual and a quick look at cv's on the webt will show that there are a number of excellent philosophers who went well beyond 7. <BR/><BR/>Instead of listening to assholes who tell you you suck, I'd go back to anon 10.34's advice about standards. It's pretty stunning to see what has passed for a dissertation at top 20 places in recent years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-84886126752853600152008-09-08T12:46:00.000-07:002008-09-08T12:46:00.000-07:00I echo Anon. 10:34's thoughtful comments, though I...I echo Anon. 10:34's thoughtful comments, though I would add one more source of stress: If you're writing a dissertation on something very meaningful to you in a way that it opens up the whole of philosophy (and maybe even meaning itself) through your question, then you'll certainly suffer at times from the weight of it all. However, on the flip side, you will also have some joy, because you'll recognize that your dissertation isn't just about a "problem" held at arm's length, but instead reminds you of why you love philosophy in the first place.<BR/><BR/>I just finished my dissertation, and that was my experience--moments of dark and moments of light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-38831654455582114492008-09-08T12:23:00.000-07:002008-09-08T12:23:00.000-07:00The dissertation is a crucible. Yes, it can be ve...The dissertation is a crucible. Yes, it can be very difficult to get through, but once you do, you will have learned much about yourself. One of those things is whether you're cut out for research-oriented positions or teaching positions. Research isn't everyone's cup of tea, yet the disseratation is a clear test for the capacity, fairly or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-57200554340971874462008-09-08T10:34:00.000-07:002008-09-08T10:34:00.000-07:00Six years past the degree, I'm a productive philos...Six years past the degree, I'm a productive philosopher with tenure at a good place and a decent rep in the profession. <BR/><BR/>However, writing the diss was very difficult for me. I look back on those years as the darkest and most difficult period in my life (and I've had a Dickensian life with my fair share of bad luck, loss, disease and poverty). <BR/><BR/>Writing the diss I gained 30 lbs and a ton of debt and am still working both of them off. I nearly broke a great marriage and icing on the cake, I nearly ended up addicted to some pretty sketchy substances. <BR/><BR/>So why is it so hard for some of us to write the thing?<BR/><BR/>Of course there are practical challenges; it is tough to balance, one's health, relationships, adjunct teaching and diss writing. But the practical stuff is relatively trivial.<BR/><BR/>The real source of the difficulty isn't time-management per se, it's the pressure to demonstrate competence and originality. Even if you have a good advisor, (and mine is one of the greatest) these can seem like moving targets. <BR/><BR/>Competence and originality are tied to our identity and self-evaluation as philosophers. But when these are moving targets then we're in trouble. Working with graduate students today, I think they set unrealistically high standards. I recognize that I was guilty of this too in my time. <BR/><BR/>So here's my advice: Take a weekend to read/skim other dissertations (by prominent youngish philosophers) to see the level of work that they have done. The bar is not as high as you may think. <BR/><BR/>I would argue that this advice extends mutatis mutandis beyond the dissertation and that the rhetoric around quality and rigor from philosophy's opinion-makers is exaggerated. But that's something for another thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-84036119872704272262008-09-07T21:16:00.000-07:002008-09-07T21:16:00.000-07:005:59,Why don't you make me?Your friend,5:275:59,<BR/><BR/>Why don't you make me?<BR/><BR/>Your friend,<BR/>5:27Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-75996783123676423362008-09-07T17:59:00.000-07:002008-09-07T17:59:00.000-07:00Anon. 5:27: Shut the fuck up.Seriously.Anon. 5:27: Shut the fuck up.<BR/><BR/>Seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-47262794040443401432008-09-07T17:27:00.000-07:002008-09-07T17:27:00.000-07:00Avoiding dissertation = lazy fuck who likely would...Avoiding dissertation = lazy fuck who likely wouldn't survive the demands of a tenure-track job, or at least suffer it well. Please reconsider your career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-85440489948922546252008-09-07T12:32:00.000-07:002008-09-07T12:32:00.000-07:0079,000 words -- written grudgingly in fits and sta...79,000 words -- written grudgingly in fits and starts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-76985730332114669382008-09-07T08:00:00.000-07:002008-09-07T08:00:00.000-07:00Smoke dope, lots of dope....Smoke dope, lots of dope....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-33360922598602139222008-09-06T20:59:00.000-07:002008-09-06T20:59:00.000-07:005:02 You've now made me feel bad about avoiding my...5:02 You've now made me feel bad about avoiding my dissertation and about avoiding the gym. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-28058374910829802602008-09-06T17:02:00.000-07:002008-09-06T17:02:00.000-07:00I finished my dissertation in one year and took an...I finished my dissertation in one year and took an extra semester to polish it up. But it was a bit light...130 pages or so, as I recall (last century).<BR/><BR/>It's like working out: once you get in the habit of doing it, it gets much easier and is nearly automatic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-89416692603435500812008-09-06T15:11:00.000-07:002008-09-06T15:11:00.000-07:00I just finished (top 20 U.S.) and mine was around ...I just finished (top 20 U.S.) and mine was around 60,000Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1944513327283802005.post-6156201656425248812008-09-06T12:27:00.000-07:002008-09-06T12:27:00.000-07:00I hate those Welcome Back "parties". I feel like t...I hate those Welcome Back "parties". I feel like they should serve coffee, not alcohol, at those events. Gotta be on your toes! And not just with faculty...other graduate students can be difficult when stressed the hell out. Scratch the coffee then -- maybe they should serve Chamomile.<BR/><BR/>Also, FWIW, my dissertation was around 70k words. I agree with the idea expressed by a good number here that some sort of daily discipline of writing is essential to getting your chapters together. Also important (at least for me) was finding ways to make the process not feel foreign. Aside from being plugged into my laptop -- and iTunes -- for several hours a day, this daily discipline also meant carrying a blank book with me at all times for thoughts on the road (or in a pub). A fair bit of what was written in that book (when suitably edited) made it into the dissertation...I take a little pride in that.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, good luck STBJD.Thomas D. Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18431282163351242175noreply@blogger.com